AS THE LION FADES – TED KENNEDY

Ted Kennedy – better known as the Lion of the Senate – has terminal cancer.  His days are numbered.  But while the most infamous indiscretion of his life forever kept him from running for president and haunted him the rest of his days, he will always be known as a champion of the poor and the underprivileged.  The younger son of an Irish immigrant, Ted Kennedy lost his older brothers and well understood the demands of public service.

Joseph Kennedy, his oldest brother and the Kennedy heir-apparent to the U.S. Presidency, lost his life during World War II in a dogfight. With the death of Joe, Jr., John Fitzgerald Kennedy (JFK), a younger brother, then became the standard bearer for the family and did so proudly until his assassination in 1963 at the hands of Lee Harvey Oswald. 

I was a freshman at the South Whitley High School, and I remember sitting in a classroom – floors of hardwood and an intercom system – and the news coming over the loud speaker – “The President has died.”  At 15, we knew little – only that our president had been assassinated.  I wondered, as I sat in stunned silence,  “how does that happen?”

But Robert Kennedy, a new Kennedy standardbearer rose to the occasion.  He was an advocate of civil rights, and he assumed the Kennedy mantel and carried forward with the Kennedy vision. But, once again, the Kennedys would lose a member – Robert Kennedy’s life was cut short by Sirhan Sirhan in June 1968 – at the age of 43.

The lone survivor was Ted Kennedy.  Through the eulogy of his brother, his determination, tempered by his role as the remaining Kennedy, shown through.  He, alone, was left to carry on.  Yet, his poor judgment in abandoning a young campaign specialist, Mary Jo Kopechne, in a disastrous accident near Marthas Vineyard destroyed any aspirations he might have or would have for the presidency.

And, now, we face the certain death of the last of the older Kennedy dynasty – I feel a sense of loss – for the years that the Kennedys reigned.  For the years that I knew they would guard against the forces of conservatism that deny social justice.  The Kennedys of this world are needed – they balance those who think the world is “perfect” – that discrimiation no longer exists.  The Kennedys – no matter their wealth and independence – have offered the hope of justice and equality to this world and to this life.

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About Charlotte A. Weybright

I own a home in the historical West Central Neighborhood of Fort Wayne, Indiana. I have four grown sons and nine grandchildren - four grandsons and five granddaughters. I love to work on my home, and I enjoy crafts of all types. But, most of all, I enjoy being involved in political and community issues.
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47 Responses to AS THE LION FADES – TED KENNEDY

  1. Iceironman says:

    You are truly a person that needs a dictator. you long for the years the kennedys reigned??? You think conservatism denies social justice??? You hold a murderer up so high, what a crock. What a person does and says are two different things. The kennedys raped women at their compound and killed them in our waterways, but they meant well. And you call it an “indiscretion”. Did a woman die? Have women been raped by these men?? Have they not cheated on their wives. What a great standard you hold up for America. Scumbags. Like Newt.

    Just because conservative dont want to give cradle to grave service does not mean we dont care. You just have pie in the sky hopes for leaders like the kennedys ( who are utter disapointments) and the amount of money the country has)

  2. Ice:

    Let’s clear one thing up – Kennedy did not “murder” anyone. Murder requires a specific intent to kill that speciifc person or it requires malice aforethought. He did not drive off the bridge to specifically kill Mary Jo Kopechne since he could very well have died himself. He did leave the scene of the accident and was charged with that crime.

    I realize you may see this as a murder, but it wasn’t – it was cowardice in his actions but certainly not murder. We have a difference of opinion, but the law does not define his actions as murder.

    As to “rapes” – where do you find that rapes – plural – occurred? William Kennedy Smith was charged with rape and acquitted. That is our legal system. Your calling it rape is not supported by the jury’s verdict. We will never know if it was forced sex or consensual sex since the jury acquitted him.

    Do the Kennedys have faults? Absolutely, but so does every human being on this earth. Republicans and Democrats alike have faults – some serious and others not so serious. What happened to the concept of forgiveness? I am not the judge of these indviduals – would I vote for them? Maybe or maybe not.

    Do I hold him up? Not really. I have never been a fan of Ted Kennedy. I am simply saying he is the last of a line of “older” Kennedys who actually had the guts to fight against discrimination and made no bones about it.

    And how on God’s green earth do you come up with “You are truly a person who needs a dictator?”

  3. Iceironman says:

    You would like a dictatorship because they make all of the decisions for the people who cant do it themselves. You would like it because you said you would be feel a sence of loss when the kennedy reigh would end.

    How much jail time did he serve??? I called it murder because Mary could have been alive when he left, he failed to act causing her to die. What a superstar! What a valient man. He fights for the rights of Americans, yet wouldnt fight for the life of an actual real person sitting beside him.

    I think it is nice that you say conservatism fights against social justice. Social justice is getting out of peoples way, not treating them special because you feel you are superior and they cant fight their own battles.

    He is now trying to cheat the replacement process for when he dies. Didnt want the govenor to replace Kerry 4 years ago, now he wants the govenor to chose his replacement.

  4. Ice:

    Because I would miss the Kennedys has nothing to do with a dictatorship. Please refresh your knowledge on just what a dictator is. That statement is totally absurd, and you know it.

    Perhaps you should also go back and look at history in reference to the treatment of minorities and women. Get this fact correct – we were excluded. It took decades to even get the rights that the white male establishment already had secured for themselves. To me that means the white male establishment thought it was superior and women and minorities were inferior.

    You really need to look at the treatment of groups in this country – you are seeing everything through rose-colored glasses. Groups that are well-establshed now – such as the Jews – were once discrimnated against when they arrived in this country.

    How is demanding equal treatment somehow saying we are superior? It is simply demanding justice. We were excluded in the Constitution, and we were excluded for over a hundred years in participating as full voting members of our society. Because my gender wanted the right to vote or demanded equal pay for equal work does not mean we are superior – it means we want treated fairly.

    You can call Kennedy’s actions murder if you like – that is your opinion. It isn’t murder in the eyes of the law. Perhaps you should work on changing the law if you don’t like it.

  5. Norma says:

    I don’t know anyone who thinks the world is perfect, certainly not conservatives. Ted is evidence of that imperfection. He’s not half the person his sister Eunice was in terms of humanity and intelligence and devotion to a cause.

  6. Norma:

    The world is full of imperfect human beings. That is the way it is meant to be. And you are right, while I will miss the presence of an older Kennedy, Eunice outshone him in so many ways. She served causes and never asked for recognition.

    I grew up in the days when those with mental handicaps and physical handicaps were shunned and made fun of. We were taught to be afraid of those with handicaps. If those with mental handicaps were not institutionalized, they were passed through classes with the other students – never really learning and never garnering much attention. And usually being made fun of.

    I had a severe physical handicap – both hips were dislocated at birth – and by the time I was 7, I had gone through three surgeries, a pin in one hip, body casts for 20 months, leg braces, and finally, crutches and physical therapy for months and months. My classmates were led to fear me because their parents mistakenly thought I had polio. And, I learned how cruel children could be.

    The Eunice Kennedys of this world deserve our admiration and respect – whether they are Democrat or Republican.

  7. tim zank says:

    Mary Jo Kopechne was unavilable for comment.

  8. Andy says:

    Damn Charlotte –

    You have the nerve to bring up the Kennedys and get labeled a dictator.

    I personally, love reading about Bobby Kennedy. The man was absolutely incredible, and could have been one of the greatest Presidents our country had ever seen.

    His speech he gave in Indianapolis the night Martin Luther King died, has been referenced many times and is a great example of the power and sincerity of the man.

    @Iceironman –

    You really need to tone it down a notch. Labeling people as communists, socialists, and saying people need dictators is going overboard.

    Just because some folks here in the U.S. have gone off the deep end and have resorted to surrounding themselves with an arsenal of semi-automatic guns, large boxes of ammunition, and enough survival food to last ten years, doesn’t mean a good portion of Americans (yes, people who love this country and have faith in a civilized society) aren’t buying into the whole Armegeddon, hysteria, End of Dayz craze the folks at FOX news are selling.

    I hate to say it, but I fear, some goof-ball who is getting brainwashed and jacked up on all this hate Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and O’Reily are spewing out will do some insane act. (Remember Tim McVeigh).

    We already had the freak who went ballistic on a killing spree at the Holocaust Museum in DC.

    I’m sure if one had the opportunity to talk with some of victims’ families of both the Oklahoma City bombing and the Holocaust Museum shooting, they would attest their outrage at the cowardly and horrific acts these men carried out.

  9. Robert Pence says:

    You wrote an eloquent tribute to the brothers who worked diligently and with sincerity to move America closer to the ideals espoused by the founders.

    I was in the USAF, working in the payroll office at Dover AFB, Delaware, when Master Sergeant Andy Danko, my supervisor, announced that President Kennedy had been shot. A short time later he came out of his office to announce that the President had died. He said all non-essential activities on the base were being shut down for the remainder of the day, and called for a volunteer to stay until normal closing time to handle any emergencies. I volunteered, and everyone else left. It was an eerie feeling to be alone in that usually crowded and noisy but now deserted and quiet building.

  10. tim zank says:

    Robert Pence said: “You wrote an eloquent tribute to the brothers who worked diligently and with sincerity to move America closer to the ideals espoused by the founders. brink of disaster”.

    FIFY

    Exit Question: How did this supremely dysfunctional family of bootlegging, womanizing, boozing, and market monopolizing (ever hear of standard oil?) misfits ever put such a glaze in eyes of so many Americans?

  11. tim zank says:

    My strike outs didn’t work properly I see…..all I meant to strike out was “ideals espoused by the founders”…

    I apologize, but you can still read it, right?

  12. Pete C says:

    Senator Kennedy voted against the invasion of Iraq. May he rest in peace.

  13. Tim:

    I guess if you were going to use your words as the defects of the Kennedys, you might want to include the hundreds of others who have followed and also committed the same “sins” you list.

    And, you actually threw in market monopolizing – I would have thought you didn’t believe in anti-trust concepts – you know – let the good old market place work and competition will solve all our problems.

    By the way, where did you come up with the “brink of disaster” that you included and then struck out? I didn’t see that phrase anywhere in Mr. Pence’s comment.

  14. Pete:

    One of the few who had the guts to vote against an ill-conceived and disastrous invasion that has now taken up 6 years of America’s time – not to mention the thousands killed on both sides and the hundreds of thousands left physically and emotionally injured for the rest of their lives.

  15. Iceironman says:

    SO Andy, Labeling Van Jones, Obamas advisor a communist is wrong? Even though he said it himself. Lloyd, the FCC diversity czar is proud of Chavez takeover of the media in Venezuala, and is a communist. Obama wants a civilian police force. Rahm Emanuel said every American should be forced to “volunteer” on a work force. Michele Obama said we have to change our history and change the fundementals of this country. They own GM, they want to own healtcare, And Im the crazy one??? Obama sought out communist and radicles in college, and Im the crazy one??? The Fcc is currently looking to shut down talk radio and Im the crazy one. Obamas mentor was on the CIA watch list because he was a communist.

    You guys who voted in Obama had better wake up. Immediatley after Ok City, Clinton bamed it on talk radio, and anyone who believe in small govt and speaks their mind is going to be a Mcvay, Andy you have fallen into the trap. lable us all crazys, make fun, sit back and do nothing as a bunch of communist take over the country. Socialist isnt even a strong enough word. Its funny, I do watch Beck and people make fun of him but no one to my knowledge has proven him be a lier. They just make fun.

  16. Iceironman says:

    Andy what do you think of Mr Lloyd the communists remarks below.

    In order to wrest control of broadcasting from private commercial interests to place it under government control, Loyd outlines 6 goals, which include vastly expanding NPR with money collected from commercial radio stations, expanding the FCC by setting up powerful regional hubs, and ‘clear regulations over political commentary and advertising.’

    In other words, good-bye freedom of speech.

    But Loyd has an answer to critics who cry foul over his plan to muzzle First Amendment rights. He thinks that concern over the First Amendment is ‘exaggerated’:

    “It should be clear by now that my focus here is not freedom of speech or the press,” he said. “This freedom is all too often an exaggeration. At the very least, blind references to freedom of speech or the press serve as a distraction from the critical examination of other communications policies.”

    These examples make it clear that Obama intends to wage all-out war on conservative talk radio, free speech, free commerce through private radio broadcasting corporations, and new government regulations that control broadcast content. The First Amendment is simply an exaggerated concern that gets in the way.

    He wants to also tax private stations 100% of their opperating costs and give that money to NPR (which the govt controls ANDY) There would also be fines for the privates if they were not diverse enough ANDY. I dont know if you are a business man ANDY but if you tax someone at 100% and fine them, they cant stay in business ANDY! And taking money from private business and giving it to govt controlled NPR is called what ANDY. Would that be a little like Marxism, Socialism, Dictatorship, I dont know you tell me, you guys voted him in.

    So the next time You think I overstep on telling you guys you want a dictator, look at how you vote. Some people just cant see the writting on the wall

  17. Andy says:

    @Iceironman –

    You said:

    “And Im the crazy one???”

    Well, since you posed the question, I have to seriously consider it.

    With the recent rise in the number of hate groups in this country, and a certain percentage of the population’s constant obession with guns, and the blind religious fanaticism some people subscribe to, I’m beginning to seriously wonder about some individuals I would characterize as the LUNATIC FRINGE.

    Funny, but sad, is that my bet is a portion of these individuals actually think of themselves as true American patriots. Tim McVeigh thought he was on a righteous mission from God above, although the Oklahoma City bombing more closely resembled a blood-filled, terrorist act which left hundreds of innocent Americans dead and more wounded. Just as the South wanted to seceed from the Union for reasons that I and the majority of Americans would consider to be utterly insane (keep humans enslaved), many in the South were willing to die for such an unworthy and grotesque cause.

    I fear we now have a new vocal but small group of people fanning the flames of xenophobia, fear and hysteria in this country. They shout and talk over anyone who may disagree with them. They show up at town hall meetings with guns strapped to their sides, and they intimidate people into believing their hate-filled rhetoric.

    I believe in the right to protest and speak out against the government. What I am currently witnessing, by some, is something darker and more concerning.

  18. Iceironman says:

    ANDY, you forgot to address the reason some fear the communists. It is 100% legal to carry a fire arm. It is the left fringe that want to make those carring them into hick, hate mongers, and crazys.
    I guess if you want to compare me to Mcvay, I will stand by and count you and the left as William Ayres, a person that the president is friends with who tried to kill many innocent people and attacked our govt. And to this day spreads hate for this country while praising Chavez just like our new diversity czar with the FCC. Is it a coincedence that Obama has surrounded himself with communist his whole life??? How many communist friends do you have Andy??? I have none

  19. Iceironman says:

    Some of your nice left wingers doing voter intimidation, Obama let them off, Hmmmm, wonder why??

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/05/29/charges-black-panthers-dropped-obama/

    No hardcore lefty crazys here, this is mainstream, making a movie about killing Bush

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365246-details/President+Bush+assassinated+in+new+TV+docudrama/article.do

    Does this rhetoric scare you??? Not once has a conservative talk show talked of violence, yet clinton thu them under the bus for Mcvay. I can come up with mainstream call to action groups on the left that have been inciting violence for years.

  20. Andy says:

    @Iceironman-

    You said:

    “How many communist friends do you have Andy???”

    To be truthful, I’m not sure. Maybe I should start a covert, ultra hush-hush, mission to stalk my “friends” and find out if they are really the loyal, God loving Americans they appear to be. OR if “they” have secretly aligned themselves with the Russian KGB or some other evildoers who hate freedom loving people like you and me.

    Now that you brought it up, I may have to dig a little deeper into some of my family’s credentials too.

    I have to confess, the last time I visited my grandmother, she did not have on her American flag lapel pin. (I suspect the commies may have gotten to her too.)

    But, back to the whole “I’m a bad ass because I walk around with a gun strapped to my side” debate. Yes, you’re right. How dare I question some of these gun-toting, want-to-kick-ass freaks, who feel the need to walk around in public with a handgun on their side (or a machine gun strapped to their back) at town hall meetings. Maybe some of these jokers have watched too many John Wayne or Clint Eastwood movies and think they need to show their power by letting the rest of us know who’s in charge. (We all know how loaded weapons fair when emoition and nerves are running on overload, especially at political rallies/protests)

    Last thing, FOX’s Glenn Beck, has had quite a few advertisers bolt his program lately (the last I checked 33 have jumped ship). I guess his brand of paranoia and hate have even turned off corporate America.

  21. Andy says:

    @Iceironman_

    August 27, 2009. 09:38 hours.

    UPDATE:

    Just got off the phone with my mother-in-law(Betty).

    Here is the recorded coversation, word for word, as it went down. (Little did Betty know I wiretapped her phone and now have proof that the conversation took place)

    Me: “Betty, Mr. Iceironman wants to know how many communist friends I have. I gotta know Betty. Are you a communist?”

    Betty: “What the hell are you talking about ?”

    Me: “You know Betty. Don’t make me ask you again.”

    Betty: “Is this a joke?”

    Me: “No joke Betty. Just answer the damn question.”

    Betty: “Andy, I’ve got to go. I’ve got a load of laundry in the washer and Ray want’s to know where the clicker is for the TV.”

    Me: “You’re avoiding the question Betty. I have no choice but to think you are a red and a commie. I need to call the CIA and report you ASAP.”

    Betty: “Gotta go Andy. See you next Sunday at Maddie’s Birthday Party. Send my love to my daughter and the kiddies !”

    Operation “Root Out The Commies” has begun…

  22. Andy says:

    @Iceironman-

    August 27, 2009. 09:53 hours.

    UPDATE:

    Just went through McDonalds drive-thru on Coliseum Blvd.

    Made contact with the McDonalds employee manning the drive-thru. Her name was Stacey, and she acted overly nice to me. She asked me if I would like to try a hot chocolate mocha today. I said, depends. “Would the KBG like this mocha too ?” I replied. She said she wasn’t sure about that, but the mochas were pretty good. See, I thought to myself. This conversation is going south already. IF she wasn’t a communist, she would have immediately denounced the KGB right then and there and busted into the Pledge of Allegiance – but she did not. She must have some alterior motive though, maybe wanting me to join forces with a local communist group. I got a little frazzeled and immediately gunned it out of the drive-thru lane. I thought to myself, I must report this commie to Mr. Iceironman and the proper authorities.

    Unfortunately, I didn’t have my tape recorder with me, so no hard copy of the converstion is available for the CIA. They will just have to TRUST me when I ACCUSE Stacey at McDonalds of a being a communist.

  23. Iceironman says:

    Andy, check out where the hate is

    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/25/denver-democratic-hq/

    Problem is it was a liberal that smashed the Dem headquarters to make it look like right wingers.
    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/25/denver-democratic-hq/

    Look into the facts of how many have pulled from glenn beck. Some of the advertisers where never associated with the show. The problem with color of change is that they are community agitators, liers, who do anything to destroy and manipulate.

    S.C. Johnson Denies They Pulled Ads from Beck
    Despite Wild Claims from Boycotters, Few Companies Confirm They’ve Cancelled Ads
    Several in our community have received the following email from SC Johnson…

    Patricia,
    Thank you for sharing your concerns as there is some potentially misleading information on the web about this topic.
    SC Johnson has not pulled or cancelled advertising for the Glenn Beck show, as we never directed our advertising to this particular program. In general, our goal is to provide good, informative ads and we select those programs and/or networks that make the most sense given our consumer base.
    Regards,
    Denise
    Consumer Relationship Center
    SC Johnson, A Family Company
    Toll Free Number: 1-800-558-5252

    from: Hawks, Lisa
    to: info@defendglenn.com
    date: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM
    subject: Best Buy

    Good afternoon-

    I noticed on your web site that you have incorrect information about
    Best Buy and advertising related to the Glenn Beck show. Like some other
    retailers, we have never been sponsors of the show. We have not
    advertised in or around the show. We do advertise on FOX, but only
    during an early morning timeframe. We have not changed our advertising
    strategy on FOX. It would be helpful if you could relay this information
    to your viewers so they are aware.

    I am in the office this afternoon if there is someone that would like to
    connect directly.

    Regards, Lisa

    Lisa Svac Hawks
    Director, Public Relations

    Walmart did pull out OF EVERY POLITICAL show i.e Hardball etc. Many others are following the same pattern, like clorox. So Andy, is beck a genious, and alread struggling network, msnbc, cnn etc. now have lost sponcership due to beck.

    Best Buy
    7601 Penn Avenue South
    Richfield, MN 55423

    And about your communist friends Andy, you made my point, 1. you wont address communists being in czar roles. And 2, you have not actively sought out communists as friends as Obama has.

  24. Iceironman says:

    Funny Andy, it is what I would expect from the left. Attack the messenger instead of looking into who Van Jones is. Instead of addressing how Obama sought out radicle communists in college. I will gladly post all proof if you would actualy get your head out of the sand. You wont address Lloyd praising the revolution for a murderous dictator chavez, you wont talk about his comments on freedom of speech, you wont address Obama seeking out radical communists in college,

    Looks like the truth hurts.

  25. Iceironman says:

    The hate is comming from the left, look into the colorado violence of the dem headquarters, made to look like radicle right wingers, sorry, it was the weapon carring wacko leftist trying to make us look bad since the right has done nothin.

    Look into the facts of how many have pulled from glenn beck. Some of the advertisers where never associated with the show. The problem with color of change is that they are community agitators, liers, who do anything to destroy and manipulate.

    S.C. Johnson Denies They Pulled Ads from Beck
    Despite Wild Claims from Boycotters, Few Companies Confirm They’ve Cancelled Ads
    Several in our community have received the following email from SC Johnson…

    Patricia,
    Thank you for sharing your concerns as there is some potentially misleading information on the web about this topic.
    SC Johnson has not pulled or cancelled advertising for the Glenn Beck show, as we never directed our advertising to this particular program. In general, our goal is to provide good, informative ads and we select those programs and/or networks that make the most sense given our consumer base.
    Regards,
    Denise
    Consumer Relationship Center
    SC Johnson, A Family Company
    Toll Free Number: 1-800-558-5252

    from: Hawks, Lisa
    to: info@defendglenn.com
    date: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM
    subject: Best Buy

    Good afternoon-

    I noticed on your web site that you have incorrect information about
    Best Buy and advertising related to the Glenn Beck show. Like some other
    retailers, we have never been sponsors of the show. We have not
    advertised in or around the show. We do advertise on FOX, but only
    during an early morning timeframe. We have not changed our advertising
    strategy on FOX. It would be helpful if you could relay this information
    to your viewers so they are aware.

    I am in the office this afternoon if there is someone that would like to
    connect directly.

    Regards, Lisa

    Lisa Svac Hawks
    Director, Public Relations

    Walmart did pull out OF EVERY POLITICAL show i.e Hardball etc. Many others are following the same pattern, like clorox. So Andy, is beck a genious, and alread struggling network, msnbc, cnn etc. now have lost sponcership due to beck.

    Best Buy
    7601 Penn Avenue South
    Richfield, MN 55423

    And about your communist friends Andy, you made my point, 1. you wont address communists being in czar roles. And 2, you have not actively sought out communists as friends as Obama has.

  26. Iceironman says:

    From richads ramblings on Van Jones

    Here’s a little background about the man that you may not know:

    He was a self-proclaimed COMMUNIST, ANARCHIST, and BLACK NATIONALIST while he was a law student at Yale Law School. Speaking about his time in jail (he was arrested at a protest), Jones said “I met all these young radical people of color – I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’ I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.”

    In the late 1990s, Van Jones was involved in Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), a multi-racial activist collective with Marxist influences

    Oh, but that was over 5 years ago ANDY??? Im sure he has no interests as a communist now ANDY. Im sure since he is unvetted, Obama has no Idea of his past, no, he does because he is just like Obama.

    Good luck addressing the facts ANDY.

  27. Andy says:

    @Iceironman-

    What’s the point here ? You’re going to tune into Beck, Limbaugh, etc. and just regurgitate the most popular talking points of the day (Sotomayor is a racist, Barack Obama is a Muslim who has yet to prove he is an American citizen, Obamacare will have death panels, etc, etc, etc).

    You have to consider the source of your “news”. Its obvious you think Glenn Beck is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    I think he’s a blow-hard who likes to throw accusations out there (Barack has a deep seeded hatred for white people) and gets off on stirring up the pot to pump up his ratings.

    Glenn Beck’s shtick or “brand” of patriotism is very similar to that of Congresswoman Michelle Bachman’s – create a sense of paranoia, accuse people of being communists and whip them up into a frenzy.

    Does the term McCarthyism come to mind here ?

    I’m a fan of reasonable and rational people. Those who keep their cool while under pressure. Not the bellicose nationalists who jump to conclusions with little facts or knowledge, and immediately look to intimidation and violence as a means for accomplishing their objectives.

    Just to remind you, the last 8 years brought us more than enough of the latter.

  28. Iceironman says:

    Andy, nice dodge

    Proven, Van Jones is a communist
    Proven, Obama wants to “fundementaly change” this country
    Proven, Obama doesnt like our constitution
    Proven, Obama released the black panthers on voter intimidation, he called cops stupid
    Proven, Lloyd the diversity chair at the fcc likes chavez and thinks freedom of speech is overrated, and Venezualas revolution was a grand occation for a murderous dictator
    Proven, Obama surrounded himself with communist and radicles in college
    Proven, All things being equal, obama will give grants and scholarships to minoritys(read the health bill)
    Proven, Obama will be trying to take public radio down through the local doctrine
    Proven, A liberal destroyed the Denver CO dem headquarters to invoke violence, not a conservative
    Proven, Cap and trade will not work in a global environment, but obama does care, his goals are not for what is best for America
    Proven, Rham Emmanuel believes every American should have to serve involentarily for the govt
    Proven, Obama wants a civil service stronger than the military
    Proven, Andy cant refute any of this.

    So, you ask What is the point here, Its that some folks see the America changing, you believe everyone loves freedom and nothing will ever change. Hate to tell you, when you surround yourself with America haters and communist, that is where you will become one.

  29. Judy says:

    @ Ice Ironman

    GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!

  30. Iceironman says:

    Judy prove the facts above wrong, or get out of the conversation. Dont tell me to grow up like a 4 year old, rebute the facts above. After all it is only freedom Im after and protecting. But I suppose appointment of Lloyd and his taxing private radio out of existance is great for you. Its not me against you, its me telling you to wake up.

    Why dont you do your own research on Van Jones
    Why dont you look into the apollo projects and the ramifications

    Here Ill help all of you guys with a link. The brown letters are the footnote leads. Then do some work, god knows the media isnt going to question an unvetted communist that calls for street action to report this stuff. If I am wrong I appologize and you can then make a little fun, but saying grow up doesnt do it.

    http://romanticpoet.wordpress.com/2009/08/10/radical-ties-to-obama-and-his-green-czar-van-jones-weather-underground-and-new-party-maoists/

  31. tim zank says:

    Whenever I think of Teddy, it reminds me of an old National Lampoon Magazine cover with a picture of Teddy and a Volkswagen Beetle with the headline “If Ted Kennedy Drove A VW, He’d be President Today”.

    For those of you too young to “get” that, the early model Beetles were famous for having the ability to float.

    Of course, I suppose he could have made it to the oval office too if he had just called for help that night in 1969 instead of leaving Mary Jo trapped in the car underwater to die a slow terror filled 45 minute death with her face pressed against the window. Guess he must have forgot about her. For 2 days. Oops.

    All the bills he introduced and causes he championed will never make up for that. He will not find his final resting place in the same neighborhood as her, his will be a much “warmer” eternity. And rightly so.

  32. Iceironman says:

    Back on topic, I cant believe you long for people like this.

    On NPR, Ed Klein said, “I don’t know if you know this or not, but one of his (Ted Kennedy) favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself.”
    “And he would ask people, have you heard any new jokes about Chappaquiddick? That is just the most amazing thing. It’s not that he didn’t feel remorse about the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, but that he still always saw the other side of everything and the ridiculous side of things, too.”

    This isn’t an accusation from Ted Kennedy’s political opponents, but a nostalgic remembrance by one of his friends. Ed Klein, former Newsweek editor, on the Diane Rehm Show.

  33. Robert Pence says:

    I hope I can be forgiven when I come before my maker, for the envy I feel for those who have managed to get through life without ever having made a foolish or disastrous mistake.

    I hope, too, that my screw-ups don’t cancel out the attempts I’ve made to learn from them, live a responsible life, stand up for what I believe, and do right by the people with whom I come into contact every day.

    I’d appreciate it if the flawlessly righteous commenters would be so kind as to deliver a dissertation explaining how to live a perfect, virtuous life of infallibility.

  34. Robert:

    Thank you. The hatred apparent from the right wing is unbelievable – especially since many of them espouse religiosity and Christian views.

    A great man has died – he spent 30 years paying for the tragic mistake he made – not with his life as Tim Zank and Ice would have liked – but nevertheless paying. He was admired by those on both sides of the aisle – even though this is something the right-wing doesn’t like to admit.

    I have made many mistakes in my life. No one has the right to judge as to whether I will spend eternity in a “warmer spot” (Zank) or not. How people have the audacity to take it upon themselves to act as the final arbiter is beyond me.

    I believe in forgiveness, and, although I am not a churchgoer, I believe no one but the maker has the right to determine our fate.

  35. Iceironman says:

    Robert, Kennedy first should not have asked for new jokes about a dead girl, that would be a good start.

    Second, if you do kill a person, and serve no time, you should not sexualy harass other women and treat them like whores. The following is from GQ and is a recall from the young lady assualted by Kennedy.

    It is after midnight and Kennedy and Dodd are just finishing up a long dinner in a private room on the first floor of the restaurant’s annex. They are drunk. Their dates, two very young blondes, leave the table to go to the bathroom. (The dates are drunk too. “They’d always get their girls very, very drunk,” says a former Brasserie waitress.) Betty Loh, who served the foursome, also leaves the room. Raymond Campet, the co-owner of La Brasserie, tells Gaviglio the senators want to see her.

    As Gaviglio enters the room, the six-foot-two, 225-plus-pound Kennedy grabs the five-foot-three, 103-pound waitress and throws her on the table. She lands on her back, scattering crystal, plates and cutlery and the lit candles. Several glasses and a crystal candlestick are broken. Kennedy then picks her up from the table and throws her on Dodd, who is sprawled in a chair. With Gaviglio on Dodd’s lap, Kennedy jumps on top and begins rubbing his genital area against hers, supporting his weight on the arms of the chair. As he is doing this, Loh enters the room. She and Gaviglio both scream, drawing one or two dishwashers. Startled, Kennedy leaps up. He laughs. Bruised, shaken and angry over what she considered a sexual assault, Gaviglio runs from the room. Kennedy, Dodd and their dates leave shortly thereafter, following a friendly argument between the senators over the check.

    Robert, I suppose we all should just turn the other way when elected officials are guilty of killing, sexual harassment, tax evasion, imbezzelment, and overall crookedness. We should just honor them in their death and not talk about the supposed men and “servants” they were.

    And something tells me your and my mistakes would never add up to Kennedys even if we won the lottery and started a nasty coke and alchol habit. He just has to big of a jump on us!!

  36. Iceironman says:

    Charlotte, how did he pay?????????????????
    Im not judging, Im pointing out facts. Im tired of Washington scumbags being proped up especialy because of their names.

    Where do you get hate from.. I merely point out facts that killing a woman and sexual harassment are not good things for “leaders” to be engaged in.

  37. Ice:

    By the way, the topic was about Ted Kennedy, and he has died since I wrote it. Your comments about communism and all the other things you brought up have nothing to do with Ted Kennedy.

    I am not even going to get drawn into your off-topic issues at this point – there is no point to argue about them since they are not relevant to my post.

    When Rush Limbaugh dies or Glenn Beck dies, I can tell you right now, I will not take joy in the way that the right has done with Ted Kennedy’s death. If I want to trash Limbaugh for his past addictions which led to criminal conduct or Beck for his alcoholism, I will do it while they are alive.

    But you know what, Beck was an alcoholic, and he has tried to control that, so why should I trash him for that? I may not agree with Beck – and never will – but I will not criticize the man for his personal issues.

    And, as to Limbaugh? He has no shame. The man is the worst type of hypocrite alive – his rantings trashed those who are addicted, and then he was charged with prescription fraud because he was addicted.

    Perhaps, the right-wingers being so vindictive about Kennedy’s death should remember the following:

    “Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.”
    “People who live in glass houses, shouldn’t throw stones.”

    We can disagree about viewpoints – that is the way we do. But the mean-spirit of some of the comments to my post about Kennedy are unacceptable. Disagree all you want, but for God’s sake, show some decency.

    And, as usual, I imagine my comments will draw venomous remarks.

  38. Ice:

    Obviously, there is no reasoning on this topic with you. He has paid in the same way many of us pay when we make mistakes. I couldn’t read his mind, but I would imagine the scene that night never left his mind. I would imagine that he forever wished he had acted differently. I imagine he often wished he could have turned back the hands of time and change things. But, he couldn’t. None of us can. We move forward and try to make up for the mistakes of the past.

    He has been a great public servant – perhaps not in the vein you would wish – but, nevertheless, according to both Republicans and Democrats, a great servant.

    And, if he wasn’t forgiven by his maker, then that is for the maker to decide – not you, not Tim Zank, and not me.

    End of my discussion on this.

  39. Iceironman says:

    I dont know where you get vendictiveness and joy from the right as you would call it. As you always state, I need proof.

    I personaly have not heard that are not facts. I have not seen the joy you state.

    Why would you demeen Rush on a regular basis, call him a druggie, call him names, treat him sub human, but then when he dies, oh, my opinion changed. I guess I will say what I think of folks the same in life as in death. Being dead doesnt change the history or opions.

    Micheal Vick payed a bigger price for killing dogs (2yrs and 30 million). I guess I just want to live in a land where justice is blind, but we know that isnt true.

  40. tim zank says:

    Whoa, slow down there Charlotte. I take no joy in the death of Teddy. I didn’t like him, I didn’t like what he stood for, and I especially didn’t like his behavior, but I never wished him dead or any physical ill-will.

    Everyone makes choices in life and must ultimately pay the price for those choices, be it in an after-life or here on earth. Ted never had to pay for his abhorrent behavior here on this planet, perhaps he will now on another level, I don’t know.

    His death does not exclude him however from ridicule, or jokes, that’s just the way it is and has been since time began. That certainly isn’t exclusive to American politics.

    You have a strong belief he was a good man, you believed in his work and his reconciliation of his mistakes. I simply don’t feel the same way.

    As for pundits and critics, we could argue all day and night who is a bigger frickstick, (i.e. chris matthews, keith olbermann, rachel maddow etc. or rush, hannity, or beck) as they all are simply “cheerleaders” for our respective sides.

    I think all of us are smart enough to realize we aren’t going to change each others minds in any meaningful way, but rather enjoy the argument and venting our frustrations by tossing “zingers” back and forth. Well at least us older posters do, the younger ones are still naive enough to think they can actually make a difference.

    Viva La Difference!

  41. Terrintokyo says:

    thanks for this lovely post – a needed antidote to the fear-based right wing that is trying to dominate the national conversation.

  42. tim zank says:

    Terrintokyo, that’s rich. Kind of hard for us to dominate the national conversation with a couple of am radio stations and one cable network and maybe one newspaper.

    You guys OWN the networks and the print media, the house, the senate and the white house. We can’t dominate anything, but for some reason we sure do scare the hell out of you guys, don’t we? Perhaps a little “projection” on the left’s part?

  43. Terrintokyo says:

    Mr. Zank:

    We see the media differently, that’s clear. I am afraid of rightwingers – you’re absolutely right. I am terrified of people who have so little care for their fellow citizens. People who believe that what Glenn Beck says and what Keith Olbermann says are equivalent. People who gleefully bring guns to Town Halls and hide behind their ‘rights’, as if they aren’t attempting to intimidate people like me. Where is my right to walk peacefully in my town, without being intimidated by guns that are made to kill humans, not hunt, and signs that misunderstand the care and feeding of the Tree of Liberty?

    More to the point, their egos have overcome the good manners that I hope their parents taught them: to do unto others as you would have others do to you. Not Christian (I’m not a Christian): just common sense. And not just the ‘others’ you like, but everyone.

    Right wingers (generally) seem more interested in proving that they’re right, rather than coming to a consensus that benefits the community they live in. When discussion devolves to tit-for-tat, scoring points becomes more important than compassion and understanding. And everyone loses, in my opinion.

    But, if that’s a comfortable way for you to live, have at it. I, for one, am more interested in moving America forward. I know that Medicare is a government-run system that is much beloved because it works for people – not perfectly, but nothing is perfect. I know that national health care works, because I’m a beneficiary of it, living here in Japan. It’s impossible to take seriously talk of death panels and the rest of the lies: it’s much easier to wonder why these folks are suddenly so active in the civics of our nation. Where were they in the age of Bush?

    I am trying to make things better for myself, and my American community. That’s why I’m a progressive.

    sincerely,

    Terri

  44. Tim:

    One name – Rupert Murdock – owns FOX, the New York Post, and multiple other media sources. Hmm, guess that gives him an edge on implanting his views.

    Doesn’t sound to me like you poor conservatives are out in the cold. One or two stations – I don’t think so.

  45. Terrintokyo:

    Thank you for stopping by. Sometimes I think there is no reasoning with right-wing conservatives, but I keep trying. 🙂

  46. Terrintokyo says:

    Hiya Charlotte:

    No worries. I think it’s kind of sad, actually. Maybe I’d even like some of these folks, or be able to respectfully disagree with them and find ways to work together, if we were talking in person. Maybe they’d even do the same.

    then again, I proudly fly my freak flag, while some of them fearfully fly the teabag. we may not have that much in common;-)

    anyway, I can’t control their level of compassion or honesty or humor, but I can certainly control mine!

    cheers,
    Terri

  47. Robert Pence says:

    “I think all of us are smart enough to realize we aren’t going to change each others minds in any meaningful way, but rather enjoy the argument and venting our frustrations by tossing “zingers” back and forth. Well at least us older posters do, the younger ones are still naive enough to think they can actually make a difference.”

    Speak for yourself, Tim.

    I still think that I can make a difference. I look back with regret at the years I spent tossing zingers instead of respectfully and thoughtfully addressing differences and trying to reconcile them or at least agree to disagree.

    Tossing zingers back and forth is something that close friends do with one another. It’s not something one does in order to beat down others who hold different viewpoints and who are trying to conduct a civil, constructive discussion.

    I like to think I’ve outgrown vitriolic, disrespectful, immature speech, and when I realize that I’ve lapsed into those habits of non-communication I’m embarrased. I try to make amends when possible, and the experience strengthens my resolve to put more effort into acting my age.

    Oh, by the way, I’m seventy years old. “Naive” isn’t a label I accept readily.

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