DELUSIONAL DOBBS

Lou Dobbs has become delusional in his old age.  Despite the fact that the election is going on 9 months old, and Obama was clearly elected president, Dobbs continues his fanatical harping about Obama’s birth certificate.  CNN, placed in a delicate position, has put the kibosh – kinda – on Dobbs’ unending banter about Obama’s birth.

CNN checked out the story and found it wasn’t much of a story.  Dobbs was told to explain CNN’s findings and then end his constant twittering about the issue.  But Dobbs continued to talk about the story that has given rise to what has become known as the “Birther Movement”,  a fringe movement that is dedicated to the conspiracy that Obama really wasn’t born here in the good ‘ole US of A and, is, therefore, ineligible to be president of the United States.

Seems some sore losers just can’t get over the fact that Obama won the election.   But Dobbs may just have shot himself in the foot.  During the month of May, according to an analysis of Nielsen data, Dobbs’ 7 p.m. program on CNN averaged 657,000 total viewers and 181,000 in the key 25-to-54 demographic—numbers that were down a whopping 29 percent and 27 percent, respectively, as compared to May of 2008.

Perhaps his audience is just plain tired of Dobbs and his grandiose delusion that Obama really isn’t the president.


CNN talking head just can't get over Obama victory

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About Charlotte A. Weybright

I own a home in the historical West Central Neighborhood of Fort Wayne, Indiana. I have four grown sons and nine grandchildren - four grandsons and five granddaughters. I love to work on my home, and I enjoy crafts of all types. But, most of all, I enjoy being involved in political and community issues.
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39 Responses to DELUSIONAL DOBBS

  1. wickle says:

    I am so tired of “birthers.”

    I seem to think that Dobbs used to be a respectable reporter. Didn’t he host “Moneyline” in the early 90’s?

    Anyway … if he’s thrown in with the Birthers, then CNN should seriously consider getting rid of him before they start to look like Fox.

  2. Andy says:

    @ Wickle –

    Right on. Dobbs is running the risk of losing any kind of credibility whatsoever by continuing to pursue such a crack-pot, baseless story.

    If this is what Dobbs (& CNN) considers to be pertinent news, then they need to revaluate their priorities. If Dobbs wants to debate or critique the Obama administrations policies – have at it. But this push to deny Barack is a bonafied US citizen, is something one might read in a tabloid-type magazine like the National Enquirer.

  3. Jack says:

    The time lines, places, actions, motives, when analyzed, support, and are consistent with, what is the answer to the Obama birth puzzle:

    Obama’s grandmother is his mother and his mother is his sister.

    Think about it. Review all the facts and claims.

  4. Andy says:

    @Jack –

    Thank you for such groundbreaking, enlightening crap, I mean stuff.

    While you are investigating and researching Barack Obama’s family tree, put aside a little time (maybe on the weekends) to ponder and thoroughly analyze the developing link between Jesus Christ and Elvis.

    Please click on the following link, which lists, IN DETAIL, proof that the King of Man and the King of Rock N Roll share an abnormally amount in common:

    http://kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusElvis.html

    Chance ? Mere coincidence ? Or just plain spooky ???

    This website raises some very, very valid concerns, and I guarantee you, it will leave you thirsting for more knowledge.

    Possible questions you might have concerning the, now obvious, Elvis & Jesus connection:

    1. Were Jesus and Elvis brothers ? (maybe cosmic beings who landed here on Earth at different points in the time/space continuum ?)

    2. Was Elvis a friend of Jesus? And more importantly – did they both have a dog named Boo ? (or was that just some wacky 70’s hit song which had absolutely nothing to do with Elvis/Jesus ? )

    I know this is heavy, heavy stuff, but I believe you are seriously onto something here.

    Jack – or whoever you are – you just very well may be the last true hope mankind has of cracking the “code” and saving all of mankind from the Stay-Puff Marshmallow man who tried to destroy NYC in the hit film Ghostbusters.

    Sleep well Jack. Get lots of rest. Drink lots of fluid. You will need it for the journey you are about to embark on.

    I do not envy you. You have a daunting task in front of you. And not to apply any more pressure here, but remember. The whole world is watching.

    Good night & good luck my friend.

  5. Iceironman says:

    Dobb’s ratings are going down with cnn ship. The only news network gaining and sustaining would be FOX. Dobbs is continuing a theory, that could be ended anytime by simply suppling a birth certificate. Maybe Dobbs should get some false documents and perpetuate this right before the next election on national tv every night into our homes.

    And as far as CNN looking like FOX, Please read below from mediabistro. When I grow up I too want to be like FOX, successful, well liked, and profitable.

    July Ratings: Fox News Beats MSNBC & CNN Combined in Total Day and Prime
    Fox News Channel continued its cable news dominance in July not only beating CNN and MSNBC combined, but showing the most growth in the younger demo. In A25-54 viewers, FNC is up 48% in total day, and up 70% in primetime, compared to July ’08.

    FNC had 9 of the top 10 shows in cable news in Total Viewers and ranks as the third most-watched basic cable channel behind USA and TNT.

    Cable news’ #1 show for 104 consecutive months, “The O’Reilly Factor”, is up 37% over July ’08. “Glenn Beck Program” is up the most, up 120% over last year’s 5pmET show. “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren” is up 60% and “Hannity” is up 41%.

    More info on FNC’s July, after the jump…

    – FNC’s audience expanded in all categories during July 2009, besting CNN and MSNBC combined in viewership (for both Total Day and Prime) according to Nielsen Media Research.

    – In the key 25-54 demographic, FNC posted the largest gains among all cable news networks in both Total Day and Prime Time – increasing an extraordinary 48% and 70% respectively when compared to July 2008.

    – Among basic cable networks, FNC ranked third for the month in prime time viewership behind only USA Network and TNT, with CNN and MSNBC lagging behind at 15th and 26th, respectively, while continuing to battle each other for third place in cable news.

    – FNC also secured nine out of the top 10 rated programs in cable news for the month based on total viewership. The O’Reilly Factor marked #1 for 104 consecutive months in July and led all programs with 3,075,000 viewers, ending the month up 37% over July 2008. Hannity was second, up 41%. Other notables include: On the Record with Greta Van Susteren (up 60%); Glenn Beck (up 120%); The FOX Report with Shepard Smith (up 36%)

    – In the key 25-54 demographic, FNC expanded upon an already dominant lead in Prime Time averaging 530,000 viewers surging 70% compared with CNN’s 377,000 (up 40%) and MSNBC’s 252,000 (flat). In total day, FNC averaged 301,000 (up 48%) compared to CNN’s 231,000 (up 39%) and MSNBC’s 143,000 (down 7%). Meanwhile, CNN’s latest failure in Prime Time, Campbell Brown, finished in fourth place in 25-54 behind FNC, HLN and MSNBC at 8:00pm ET.

    – In Prime Time, FNC bested CNN and MSNBC combined with an average of 2,071,000 viewers (up 43%) during July 2009, compared with CNN’s 1,127,000 (up 39%) and MSNBC’s 738,000 (up 24%). In total day, FNC also rated higher than the competition combined with 1,138,000 total viewers (up 36%) compared to CNN’s 723,000 (up 45%) and MSNBC’s 396,000 (up 12%).

    – All weekday programs on FNC between 6:00am and 12:00am posted double-digit ratings gains in both total viewers and in the key 25-54 demographic – led by noteworthy increases in the 25-54 demo by Glenn Beck (up 211%), The O’Reilly Factor (up 75%), Hannity (up 68%) and On the Record with Greta Van Susteren (up 79%).

    Now compare BECK on CNN– from the NY times

    In the third quarter of 2008, Mr. Beck’s CNN program averaged 376,000 viewers at 7 p.m. and another 487,000 viewers at 9 p.m., a record high for both hours. His program is Headline News’s second most popular behind Nancy Grace, who attracted 924,000 viewers at 8 p.m. and 559,000 viewers at 10 p.m. in the quarter.

    Now what the other media said of becks cnn program

    May 8, 2007 … CNN hate-host Glenn Beck sees ratings plummet. Hate is so last year. From Eric Boehlert: [W]hereas CNN last year traded away its good name

    Glenn Beck Stinks up CNN’s Ratings. One of the arguments put forth by defenders of status quo in political talk radio, where there are 10 …

    Has CNN’s decision to hire “conservative” host Glenn Beck for the Headline News Channel proven to be a disaster? Based on recent ratings

    Glenn Beck fails to boost CNN ratings. … 2. CNN needs to bring the “Headline News” segment back to it’s. original form. It’s totally screwed up now. …
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/…/duboard.php?az…all... – Cached – Similar

    Glenn Beck alone could not save cnn, there are too many other angry liberals spewing hate to enjoy the news on that network. Most people couldnt even stand the promos for other shows durning the Glenn Beck show on cnn.

  6. Judith says:

    Delusional is the scare tactic being used by Republicans, including Mark Souder, that a provision in one of the versions of the current health care reform debate advocates suicide!
    The provision is currently in place at hospitals here in Fort Wayne. It allows individuals to sign a “living Will” that can be used when death is imminent. After the family and doctor agree that further treatment causes the patient to linger and suffer, all medical interventions will be halted and the patient will be allowed to die naturally and peacefully!
    It is certainly better for a healthy person to decide if he/she wants to sign a Living Will. Pressure would be put on that person by neither the government nor insurance companies! It is a choice best made while healthy! And it certainly is not suicide to decide under what circumstances you would wish to die naturally.

    I apologize for going somewhat off topic, but this must be brought to light!

    Rep. Souder says his mail is mainly from those opposed to health care reform! This is hard to believe that a majority of us in this district believe that we can continue under the present health care system.

  7. Andy says:

    @Iceironman –

    Your point ???

    So…. FOX news has a following. So does Michael Jackson. So does Britney Spears. So does Dancing with the Starz. So did David Koresh.

    You said:

    “When I grow up I too want to be like FOX, successful, well liked, and profitable.”

    If only we all aspired to be like FOX: rich, successful, arrogant and most of all…. well liked.

    Never mind that FOX’s Bill O’Reilly loves to tell people to, ‘Shut up !” He frequently talks over his guests, but takes pride in being “fair and balanced”.

    And who could forget this oldie but goodie:

    Yes, when I grow up, I hope to be just like the FOX news “reporters” who shower us with their integrity, values and showmanship.

    If ratings are a big indicator of whether or not a person, a show, or news source is credible, then American Idol wins hands down. But, lets take a look at the facts – in particular, the Nielson Cable TV ratings for week ending, 071309:

    FYI – WWE RAW – Professional Wrestling came in at #9 of the top 10 viewed cable programs for that week.

    ***BUT*** WWE RAW could not outright claim the #9 spot, it just so happened to be tied with Spongebob. (oh the horror!)

    Don’t believe me ? Go to the Neilsen Ratings website and click on ‘Top cable TV shows’:

    http://www.nielsenmedia.com/nc/portal/site/Public/

    Unfortunately, WWE RAW and Spongebob could not hold a candle to Hannah Montana which took up two places in the top ten.

    A few years back, FOX’s Temptation Island also raked in the viewers for a bit, but we’ll leave that for another post. Don’t want to focus on too much “quality” programming at this point.

    But again apparently ratings are the key issue here. If Glen Beck is what we should as patriotic Americans all aspire to, then grab a box of Kleenex and tune in:

  8. Iceironman says:

    Ive been waiting on Charlotte to talk about healthcare (considering she is mostley against the legislation).

    Judy, you really believe people want the govt telling them what to do? What to eat? Where to go? Deciding if you get care based on your age? We already have schip, medicare, medicade, they are failures. I cant believe how selfish some people are in this country that they will steal from me to pay for their healthcare. Any mention of tort or greedy lawyers in this bill? Judy, please leave you address and I will just freaking give you the money out of my childrens college funds. GO get your own coverage and grow up! I could see giving people coverage if we had trillions in reserve, we dont, we are broke!!!!!!!!!! Charging companies large and small 8% if they dont give insurance–UNAMERICAN. Say goodby to a few employees or say hi to higher prices, hell, maybe the companies will move to Mexico. Hawii tried this system, hows that working out. Massachusetts tried, hows that going. I am flat out tired of the majority bullying my money away from me.

  9. Iceironman says:

    By the way, if souder was making this up (the calls and emails) the bill would have already past. Dont blame the evil repubs on this, the dems own every branch. NO EXCUSES FROM YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is your party that is centrist that is actually using its brain to slow this up.

  10. Iceironman says:

    Why I dont trust govt with my money, McCain on Cash for Clunckers

    McCain, the 2008 GOP presidential nominee who ran as a deficit hawk, said, “Within a few weeks we will see that this process was abused by speculators and people who took advantage of what is basically a huge government subsidy of corporations that they already own. “I can’t imagine that any taxpayer of America would have thought that the TARP, the financial recovery money, would be used now to subsidize the sale of automobiles in America

    Dont want to be partisan so here is a Dem

    McCaskill echoed McCain, who said, “It’s really an incredible process that we’ve gone through where recovery money that is supposed to be used in order to keep people in their homes and help the economy recovery. We’re now again bailing out the automobile corporations, two of which we own. It’s remarkable.”

    Tarp stands for troubled asset relief program. That was with the banks and bad debt. Thank god Judy gives these blowhards in Washington such high ranks to take over the economy and MY HEALTHCARE> Even Obamas DR is against him, but dont worry Obama slept in a Holiday inn Express last night.

  11. Jack:

    Sounds like the “end of days” stories that float around from time to time. The only puzzle is how so many people are still so gullible or, in the case of the birthers, simply idiots, that they can still carry on this conspiracy theory of how the American presidency was stolen by a black man.

  12. Ice:

    I am 50/50 on the health care issue. We need reform, and that is a fact. Poll after poll show that the American people think the system is broken. It needs fixed, but I am not comfortable with putting an extra tax on people who make more than XX number of dollars to provide extra funding. I am not entirely convinced that an entire industry should be eliminated either. But it wouldn’t take much to convince me since the insurance industry has too much power to deny claims and set standards for who can and can’t obtain insurance coverage.

    What I am sure of is that everyone needs to be covered and have access – I see health care as a right. But that issue is for another post about rethinking the concept of inalienable rights.

    Cost of insurance should not be prohibitive, which it is for the most part now unless you are fortunate enough to have a good employer. I do have one, and I am grateful for the coverage I have. But $300 or more a month is a car or truck payment for most people. That is a lot of money.

    Pharmaceutical companies are way out of hand – no competition from Canada. Yet we import anthrax vaccine from England and other countries. Figure that one out. I would like to see us get off the addiction to medication that seems to be rampant in this nation. Of course, if you watch the evening time slot you will see commercial after commercial for prescription drugs. The drug companies use air time to suggest and convince the viewer that he or she “needs” this new medication.

    But as long as doctors and pharmas hold each others’ hands, prices and use won’t go down.

    As to Souder and his claims, he is off the wall. Read the part to which he refers – it has nothing to do with driving people to commit suicide. It has to do with a consultation to prepare for death. Don’t people go to attorneys all the time to have documents prepared in anticipation of death? Is that called a “suicide” conference?

    When Tom declares again, I will be devoting the next year of my life to getting him elected. Souder is nothing but a fear monger and twists everything to scare people. The hell with the facts.

    Anyways – I have yet to write much because I have had a tough month at work. I am heading for work this morning to try to get some things caught up. But never fear, you will hear from me on health care. It won’t get passed by the break, so I will have plenty of time to digest the issues.

  13. Ice:

    As a follow-up to the Souder calls and emails – those who call in will be those in Souder’s camp. This proves absolutely nothing. Those who show up at rallies are those who support those causes – same concept.

    A health care rally is being held a week from today, so I will go to see what they have to say because, in general, I believe health care has to be reformed. I just want to know specifics and points of view. Once I am comfortable with the information I have obtained, I will come down squarely on a side. Until then, you will just have to wait with bated breath.

  14. I found it surprising when, during the Clinton administration, Hilary made the remark about a ‘…vast right wing conspiracy.’ against her husband everyone labeled it as paranoia in spite of the fact that millions were spent on raising issues for investigation: Whitewater, Travelgate, Paula Jones, etc., etc. Four years and 40million dollars were spent to prove that a married man would lie about having an affair! Impeachment for perjury was the end result, nothing on the original charges. And here we are again: not a citizen, not a Christian, not a patriot. Non-issues [ps. As an amateur genealogist I can tell you that many Natural Born or otherwise citizens have never had a birth certificate. issued or otherwise.]
    While all are not members of the conspiracy, too many buy into the wackiness of the Limbaugh’s and ‘birthers’ and again push us down the path of distraction and disunity, proving that for them it is politics before nation.

  15. Judith says:

    Is Tom Hayhurst considering running again for Congress! That would be wonderful! I, too, would work for him. My husband and I helped his campaign last time. Unfortunately not enough people in outlaying areas got to know him and his great reasoning ability.

    I think Hayhurst would have defeated Mark Souder this year if only he had run again. Mike Montango advocated so many Republican positions even before the election.

  16. Judith:

    The scuttle is that he is in – he just hasn’t officially declared. The last time he made his announcement in January or February of 2006 (the year of the election), so he may wait for a little while yet before he announces.

    I am hoping that he does so. The last time we lost by 14,000 votes – 11,000 of those from Elkhart and Kosiusko County. If we can focus on the outlying counties more heavily this time, we can do it.

    If he does run, I know how I will be spending every spare, waking moment, and I am looking forward to it!

  17. Iceironman says:

    So to sum up, Charlotte believes that a home and healthcare are a god given right by the consitution of the United States of America. Go ahead and pay for that, as I am having enough trouble paying for my own family.

    I told Charlotte last time Hayhurst ran, if he would just listen to a conservative he would win. I isnt hard with his money and name recognition. You see I hold the key to Hayhurst getting elected. Sound cocky, yes, is it true, yes. Some punk from the east coast could never inject himself and hold a successful campaingn. Hayhurst needs me,,,,,, the lowly little conservative that thinks Washington is out of control, whether it be a D or R in front of the name, It is time to stop the madness. Look at what Rohme Emanuel did, he went and got a bunch of conservative “blue dogs” elected. Now the blue dogs are holding up a major screw up, god bless them. If Hayhurst can separate himself from the jetset, limosine liberal pelosi, and promise not to go down that road, he has a chance. He cannot disrespect business as Charlotte does. He cant claim to know what is best in healthcare as Obama does. By the way, what if we gave a business an 8% tax cut to give healthcare instead of charging them at a 35% tax rate and adding to it. Sorry, that is just stupid conservative thinking. Look at the incentive program cash for clunkers, give people money, they spend it. Tax them and we are screwed. (By the way, the excellent govt Judy trusts with healthcare missed this one big time, lets hope they are a little closer with healthcare, and social security, oh (*& thats righ social security is bankrupt with all other govt programs, and the U.S post office lost billions this year???? Are you serious JUDY JUDY JUDY, I digress.

    Ps I heard the dems (Harry Reid) going after the insurance companies now as being too profitable. Not too long ago it was big oil, soon it will be coal, when does it end.

  18. Iceironman says:

    Andy, grow up and fight the battle at hand. Fox appeals to more folks. And what is most important is that Fox anchors whether it be Glenn Beck or Oreilly, they clearly state that they are CONSERVATIVES, no hiding, no bs. Unlike the folks at ABC, NBC, CBS, and all of the other networks. Anyone who watches fox knows what they are getting. Thank god for honesty. Where would the news media be without fox and AM radio. I guess we will find out.

    Andy, I challenge you to listen to Beck, or Hannity, or Limbaugh for two weeks and point out every lie they tell. I was like you once, immature, thinking the world could all be rainbows and kisses. I hated Limbaugh and the like. I grew up with a liberal lawyer mother who believed everyone is INTITLED to everything. Then I grew up. I realized that the only person in charge of my future was me. I relized that there are a bunch of people in the world that dont get things because they dont work hard. I realize there are people who dont advance where they want to go because they blame others for the way they turned out. I realized, I AM MY OWN SUCCESS. I dont care about fox news. I dont care about Obama, I care about not paying 50% taxes, wouldnt that be 50% slavery, giving my master half of what Ive earned with no real justification other than I bust my butt. GROW UP ANDY. And if you think I am selfish, challenge me, I bet I have helped more people down on their luck, and given more to charity than you. But, I chose to do that, it wasnt stolen from me.

  19. Ice:

    Here is the phrase from the Declaration of Independence – not the Constitution:

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that AMONG these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    You will notice that the Founders said “that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Use of the phrase “among these” means that the Founders listed three but assumed that there were more.

    Also, the definition of “inalienable” simply means nontransferable to another. You need to go back and look at Locke and Jefferson and the Virginia Declaration of Rights. Inalienable rights were what were established by our Founding Fathers at that place and time.

    Who is to say that over time, inalienable rights cannot be redefined? After all, the Founders came from countries that used all manner of torture and death penalty methods, yet our Founding Fathers chose to include the 8th amendment against cruel and unusual punishment. Why do so? Because they felt that the previous forms were barbaric and needed to be redefined for this new country.

    After all, if life is an inalienable right then why isn’t decent health care to promote the quality of that life a right also?

  20. Ice:

    As to the liberal lawyer mother “who believed everyone is entitled to everything”, seems to me that is a totally general statement that isn’t supported by facts. Perhaps she recognized that there are inequalities in this country (or other countries for that matter) and believes these should be addressed.

    Are there people out there who don’t want to work or who think everything should be handed to them? Sure. But that is the minority. Most people I know work hard, but sometimes they need some assistance. I pay my taxes, and I would much rather have my taxes go toward helping someone go to college or put food on the table than to blow innocent people who had no part in 9/11 to smithereens.

    But there ya go – I don’t have a say in it since Bushie got us in over our heads in the Middle East and Obama doesn’t seem to be extricating us.

  21. Iceironman says:

    But, if everyone is entitled to a home and healtcare, food and other resources, you have built a sociaty of complacent, lazy people. If there are injustices in this country, deal with them. You cant give reperations through tax dollars.
    I pay my taxes, and that is the trouble. Medicare/cade sucks. Social security is broke and instead of fixing this trillion dollar waste, we tackle healtcare?????

    People shouldnt need your help with tax dollars going to college, we have loans backed by the govt…..crap thats right the govt controlled entity know as fanny/freddie collapsed too.

    Remeber all of those higher taxes on tobacco to help stop the out of control healtcare costs–has healthcare gone down. How about all of those huge profits of the govt on gas sales, how are those roads doing that the stimulous is called for to help fix? How about all of those taxes we pay for education, I personally have to pay over 1000 a year+++++. The school my children go to is falling apart and in need of a tune up.

    If the govt taxes more, revenues will go down, people stop spending from middle class and upperclass.

    Update, just heard Geithner tell me my taxes will in fact go up.
    From Examiner.com
    How did you think we were going to pay for a $1 trillion health care plan?

    After laughably telling George Stephanopoulos that the “key to economic recovery is deficit reductions”, Treasury Secutary Tim Geithner would not rule out a middle-class tax hike.

    To get the economy back on track, will President Barack Obama have to break his pledge not to raise taxes on 95 percent of Americans? In a “This Week” exclusive, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner told me, “We’re going to have to do what’s necessary.”

    Not that a single person left in this country is surprised that Barack Obama is going to break his promise. He’s merely following in the footsteps of George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton”

    I hope you and I get a raise to help offset washingtons lack of spending control.

  22. Iceironman says:

    How about is Obama goes after some of this elitist money??????????

    Rank Institution Endowment
    1. Harvard University (Cambridge, Mass.) 25,221,804,000
    2. Yale University (New Haven, Conn.) 15,091,021,000
    3. Leland Stanford Junior University (Stanford, Calif.) 12,205,035,000
    3. Princeton University (Princeton, N.J.) 11,200,000,000
    5. Univ. of Texas System Administration (Austin, Tex.) 11,101,608,088
    6. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Cambridge, Mass.) 6,712,400,000
    7. Columbia University (New York, N.Y.) 5,190,564,000
    8. University of Michigan (Ann Arbor, Mich.) 4,931,338,357
    9. Northwestern University (Evanston, Ill.) 4,454,451,325
    10. Washington University (St. Louis, Mo.) 4,383,295,000

    Billions and billions and billions just waiting to be wasted by the govt. But I dont think we will go after the liberal meccas. Seems to me if Charlotte believes we should help pay for students college education—a good start might be in these elitest back pocket not mine. That is about 81 billion just in the top ten, what about the rest of the colleges like IU, holding onto billions. At 2 billion and 4000 dollars a year, 500,000 students could go for a year. These elitest endowments must be taxed at 50% just like the rich in this country.

  23. Andy says:

    @Iceironman-

    You continue to pump up FOX “news”. Anyone with a reasonable amount of intelligence, knows that Hannity, O’Reilly and Beck are all ENTERTAINERS, not reporters.

    Hannity shoots his mouth off and says waterboarding is NOT torture, then says he’ll let himself be waterboarded for charity:

    But when push comes to shove – no waterboarding for Hannity.

    And Glenn Beck, well, he declares Barack Obama to be a “racist” on national TV.

    His own words:

    “This President, I think, has exposed himself as a guy over and over and over again, who has a deep seeded hatred for white people or white culture…”

    Pretty strong, accusatory words by Beck, with absolutely NO basis to back it up. I bet the good-ole boys who fly the confederate flag and still think Barack Obama is a Muslim who was born in Africa, about wet their pants when they heard Beck make that wacko claim. If Beck wants to take the helm of the lunatic fringe which plagues our country, then so be it.

    And finally – Limbaugh.

    Here Rush is “mocking” Michael J. Fox’s symptons of Parkinsons Disease:

    Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh. Three stellar American journalists who “tell it like it is” and represent the absolute best America has to offer in journalism.

    I’ll let you continue to tune in to FOX, and I’ll find something a little bit more constructive to do with my time.

  24. Andy says:

    @ Charlotte-

    You’re ahead of the mainstream media on Dobbs:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/02/lou-dobbs-a-publicity-nig_n_249466.html

  25. Judith says:

    Charlotte! Are you the first to print that Tom Hayhurst will run for Congress next year! This is very exciting news.

    I had the audacity to e-mail Dr. Hayhurst and he confirmed your news! (His address was still in my e-mail address book from 2006.)

    Please tell us more about the health care rally this Saturday.

  26. Iceironman says:

    There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

    Just a little more scarry everyday??????

  27. Judith says:

    Iceironman:
    What is scary is that in America we are to make new laws as the result of free speech, openness to new ideas, and working together to form consensus. Any false rumors need to be opened to the light of public scrutiny. Just the idea that some (including Mark Souder) are proclaiming that signing a Living Will is the same as committing suicide is frightening! All information should be considered, including what are the facts.

    The shouting town hall meetings are so unAmerican! We are suppose to give our opinions with factual backup, then we are to listen to what others say. The shouters are only interested in eliminating open discussion of the health care problem. And when we find that right wing groups are advocating these disruptions, even sending e-mails to hope many will go to the town hall meetings to disrupt and to avoid meaningful discussion, we should be concerned for our democracy. And some of the protestors are not even from the Congress members district, but are being bussed in!

  28. Iceironman says:

    I love it!!! I am a Nazi, a mob, dress too nice, and paid to go to these meetings, it is unAmerican for congressional leaders to look down their noses and call Americans names. Barak is now bussing them in and asking for people to show up. Maybe if the represenitives would be honest about the bill we wouldnt be so pissed off. They have not even read it!!!! Do you understand??????? You must really hate Acorn and there tactics. COde Pink and all the liberal shoutdowns. One rumor the whitehouse needs to track is the lie that Obama doesnt want a single payer system. LIE. Depends which croud he is speaking to. How can anyone refute he is a lier.

    The founder of the Minute Men went to Columbia universtiy and was shouted down and his podium broken by those great Americans. Then, a murder from Iran came and they treated him with total respect.

  29. Iceironman says:

    ERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of
    5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6
    erage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health
    7 insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance
    8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the
    9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
    10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
    11 (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in
    12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance
    13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
    14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef
    fective date of coverage is on or after the first
    16 day of Y1.

    This is directly from the bill, page 16, and states that I will lose my private insurance if I change jobs, and no new employees after Y1 can be put on the employers healthcare. JUDY, that is socialized healthcare, I know Charlotte will say oh you are trying to scare people, and give the definition of socialism, but you know what, If my choice is taken away, is that not socialism, the govt is controling 100% my choice. That is freedom slipping away and I dont like it and no one is telling me or paying me to say this as Judy and the libs would have you believe

  30. Iceironman says:

    “(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

    Above is from page 425

    In case Judy doesnt know the term palliative (I didnt), here is the definition

    Palliative care (from Latin palliare, to cloak) is any form of medical care or treatment that concentrates on reducing the severity of disease symptoms, rather than striving to halt, delay, or reverse progression of the disease itself or provide a cure. The goal is to prevent and relieve suffering and to improve quality of life for people facing serious, complex illness. Non-hospice palliative care is not dependent on prognosis and is offered in conjunction with curative and all other appropriate forms of medical treatment. It should not be confused with hospice care which delivers palliative care to those at the end of life. In the UK, this distinction is not operative; hospices and non-hospice-based palliative care teams both provide care to those with life limiting illness at any stage of their disease.

    I didnt see anywhere in this section about curing a disease or illness. I could be wrong, but that is why I dont want the govt controling my HEALTHCARE.

  31. Iceironman says:

    Life prolonging cancer drugs to be banned because they cost too much
    By Daily Mail Reporter

    Last updated at 12:35 AM on 05th March 2009
    Comments (22) Add to My Stories Death sentence: Patients are to be denied life prolonging cancer drugs because they cost too much
    Thousands of patients with terminal cancer were dealt a blow last night after a decision was made to deny them life prolonging drugs.

    The Government’s rationing body said two drugs for advanced breast cancer and a rare form of stomach cancer were too expensive for the NHS.

    The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence is expected to confirm guidance in the next few weeks that will effectively ban their use.

    The move comes despite a pledge by Nice to be more flexible in giving life-extending drugs to terminally-ill cancer patients after a public outcry last year over ‘death sentence’ decisions. L
    eading campaigners last night said Nice had failed the ‘acid test’ of whether it really intended to give new priority to people with just a few months to live.

    One drug, Lapatinib, can halve the speed of growth of breast cancer in one in five women with an aggressive form of the disease.

    Dr Gillian Leng, Nice deputy chief

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1159506/Life-prolonging-cancer-drugs-banned-cost-much.html#ixzz0NWCzsFMI

    JUDY- YOU THINK WE ARE NOT HEADED HERE?????? Thousands of articles like this out there, but dont worry we will be better.

  32. Iceironman says:

    Have you noticed the term used to be “Global Warming” now it is “Climate Change”?
    Have you noticed the term 3 weeks ago was “Healthcare refom” now it is “Health INSURANCE reform” The difference is they can now demonize the insurance companys and use the rules for Radicles tactics to freeze and personalize the opponent. I guess you can fool some people all of the time.

  33. Ice:

    Excuse me, but don’t insurance companies deny coverage based on the expense of drugs or the fact that they are considered experimental? So the government does it, and it is evil, but our insurance companies do it, and it is okay?

    Please start looking at things in a more balanced way. How do you explain insurance companies that don’t want to cover diseases because they are too expensive? What about pre-existing conditions? Good Lord – take a long, hard look at what insurance companies do. They are a for-profit business – the fewer claims they pay – the more money they make.

    Haven’t you ever had to fight with your insurance company to cover a bill for you or your family?

  34. Ice:

    See this article about an insurance company that refused to pay for a cancer-fighting drug. When are you going to admit that corporations are just as bad in some respects as you think the government is.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

  35. Ice:

    The tactic you mention as to personalizing has been used for decades – it didn’t start with Obama. You seem to think that everything evil has just now appeared with the election of Barack Obama.

    How about the misnomer of Operation Iraqi Freedom when it is nothing more than an invasion of another country where we have no business being?

    And just what is your point on using “global warming” as opposed to “climate change?”

    I would also like to know what is the difference between seeking out end-of-life consultations with family attorneys and end-of-life consultations paid for by the government? Explain please. The notion that the government is entering into a pact to get senior citizens to kill themselves is one of the most asinine right-wing theories I have ever heard of.

    Of course, I would expect no less from Republicans when it comes to the art form of fear-mongering rather than basing a discussion on facts.

  36. Ice:

    Just another aside on use of language. I am listening to the Farm Report, and one of the hosts is addressing the decrease in milk production. He is reporting on a CWT story from Virginia and says that “87,000 milk cows will be retired from milk production.” Excuse me – retired? Are they going away to a happy senior cow farm somewhere to spend the rest of their lives in bliss?

    You know as well as I do that it means they will be slaughtered, and, in fact, the actual written article states that. Using “retired” simply sounds better. They will be slaughtered as old meat and put into soups.

    http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/latest-cwt-round-retiring-87000-dairy-cows/12757.html

    Yes, I know, you will come back with something to the effect that if we bleeding heart, tree-hugging, environmentalists wouldn’t make such a fuss, the word slaughter could be used.

  37. Iceironman says:

    If an insurance company refuses service, I can sue. If the govt does,its over!!!!!!! I just really dont think you understand that once govt gets in it is over, freedom is lost. Obama does want private insurance to go away.

    Obamas science czar believes in eugenics.

    Do you agree that private insurance is dead if this goes through

  38. Ice:
    Holy Cow – I thought you hated attorneys who sued to protect innocent victims rights. Maybe you could explain what role you believe law suits have in the scheme of things.

    I believe I mentioned some time ago that lawsuits protect those who are powerless against the giant corporations. If I remember right, you assailed attorneys for their role in creating frivolous and unnecessary lawsuits.

  39. Marymary says:

    Charlotte: I don’t read your blog very often, but whenever I see that there are an unusually large number of comments on a topic, it is because Iceironman has posted numerous irrational comments, several of them bordering on being incoherent, and frequently off topic. There is no reasoning with this person. He has his beliefs, supported by suspect sources, to be sure, and there is no getting him to accept that maybe he is wrong or misunderstands something. You are way, way too nice and patient with Iceironman.

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