TO TEST OR NOT TO TEST

Joe Biden made a comment the other day in reference to a possible crisis after “President Obama” takes office. The words Joe used have led to a furor over his choice of using the word “tested.” Huh? The right-wingers and commentators immediately jumped on the terminology to say “Wow, lookie, even Obama’s running mate doesn’t think he is ready for a crisis.”

Here is Biden’s statement:

“Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. . . . Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. . . . We’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

The Republican response borders on idiocy. The definition of “test” is:

1. the means by which the presence, quality, or genuineness of anything is determined; a means of trial.

2. the trial of the quality of something: to put to the test.

Okay, and are the right-wingers saying that if McCain is put into office, this won’t be a test for him either? Come on, no president ever faces these kinds of tests until he is in office. No matter what political office a president holds before he is elected, it does not involve international crises.

When it comes to foreign affairs that involve international matters, the President is charged with working solo with the advice of others on how to manage international affairs. Governors don’t enter into treaties or take action against foreign entities. Senators and Representatives don’t directly deal with foreign governments during a crisis.

No amount of experience on McCain’s part makes him any more equipped to handle a “test” than Obama’s experience. When it comes to a foreign crisis, they are on equal footing. After all, McCain has never handled a foreigh crisis – that task is left up to the President and that role is established in the Constitution.

The hysterical Republicans are grasping at anything that moves.

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About Charlotte A. Weybright

I own a home in the historical West Central Neighborhood of Fort Wayne, Indiana. I have four grown sons and nine grandchildren - four grandsons and five granddaughters. I love to work on my home, and I enjoy crafts of all types. But, most of all, I enjoy being involved in political and community issues.
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27 Responses to TO TEST OR NOT TO TEST

  1. Ice ironman says:

    Do you think they will test Obama like Iran tested Reagan (you know, releasing the hostages)

  2. Ice ironman says:

    So Palin, on your theory, is on equal footing as Obama?

  3. In the grand scheme of international affairs, both presidential candidates are on the same footing. No president enters office having solved an international crisis. McCain may have been in the military, but that doesn’t make him ready to lead in international affairs.

    Palin is not the presidential candidate, so she isn’t on the same footing. She and Joe Biden will not be resolving crises as the top gun. That is left to the president. And you can see how well Bush’s experience worked out for him.

    Obviously, even his executive experience wasn’t any help – he has managed to mess up this country pretty badly. So how is it that executive experience even matters when you can have a disaster like Bush?

    Bush has marooned us in a never-ending war peppered with multitudes of blunders. I guess you could say he was tested and found wanting.

    As to Reagan and Iran – the test was of Jimmy Carter, not of Reagan. Had the rescue worked, Carter would have had four more years and Reagan could have ridden off in the sunset to his ranch.

    Reagan was dealing behind the scenes once he was elected. Iran’s release of the hostages a minute or so after Reagan took office was a planned event to make Reagan look good.

  4. Ice ironman says:

    Do you really think this is a never ending war, considering we are ready to draw down troops. For a country to go from Evil dictator to luke warm democracy in about 5 years is pretty effective. Our only blunder in this war is trying to keep liberals happy and not killing people and breaking things. A war from 30000 feet is no longer acceptable in the liberal mind even though it would save American lives. Notice how much the war is on the front of peoples mind. It is a non issue.
    What do you think of Bushs lowering of the gas prices right before the election. Thats good for the country right?

  5. Ice Ironman:

    Think about this. We built the world’s largest embassy in Iraq, and it is now occupied by American personnel. Why would we establish that presence if we were leaving?

    Granted, the argument can be made that the embassy is needed because we now have “relations” with Iraq. But the fact that we are working on agreements with Maliki to keep bases in Iraq says we are staying.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/10/AR2008061003415_pf.html

    Bush deviously suckered the American public into believing that Saddam Hussein had WMD which he did not and then Bush said the glorious goal was to establish a democracy in Iraq.

    I will lay you odds Bush was motivated by neither of these reasons. Establishing a presence in Iraq enables Bush to fulfill his career-long goal of being perched in the Middle East to keep track of the various Islamic countries and to watch for any overt threats to Israel. It also allows monitoring of the Middle Eastern oil-rich countries.

    Bush knew all along what he wanted. Now he has it, and I say we aren’t coming home. Do the math, and think about it.

    As to the gas prices? Hmm, isn’t it funny that they dropped sharply in 2006 as well? Here is an interesting analysis of gas fluctuations.

    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/02/oil_profits.html

  6. Ice ironman says:

    Yes we will be in Iraq forever, as a peacekeeper and aid, much like Japan, Germany, Italy, you name it.

    Read this article. Tell me what you think.

    http://www.nysun.com/national/speech-by-president-sarkozy-before-congress/66054/

  7. Ice:

    Your quote:

    “Do you really think this is a never ending war, considering we are ready to draw down troops.”

    Your last post – No. 6 – now seems to contradict that statement. I understand we are still in many countries around the world. We entered and never left. But are those countries still killing our troops? How many have been killed in Japan recently? Or Germany? Or Italy?

    The major difference is that staying in Iraq subjects us to a guerilla-type warfare for the rest of our days there. Soldiers will be killed on a regular basis.

    If you have been following the news, you no doubt have seen we launched an attack into Pakistan and just in the past couple of days, into Syria. This will only stir up and solidify the Islamic countries against us. We are nuts for undertaking these sorties into these countries.

    We do not have the military force to engage in conflict with any more countries. The only way we would possible be able to spread outselves even further is to reinstitute the draft. And, I believe that will happen eventually. You don’t maintain a registry of the young males in a country for no reason.

    Again, I say we will not be leaving. And that is the hypocrisy of our leaders and our government – both Democrat and Republican. Vietnam served no long range purpose; Iraq does.

  8. Forgot to add this – as a “peacekeeper?” We wouldn’t need to be there if we hadn’t messed it up in the first place.

    No peacekeeping was needed until we entered the picture. We created the very situation that now triggers our rationale for staying.

  9. Ice ironman says:

    Oh yeah, I forgot you forget 911. Saddam chose to break UN resolutions. France, russia, and others were on the take for the oil for food.

    DO YOU AGREE THAT SADAM REPEATEDLY BROKE UN RESOLUTIONS?
    Do you think there were not guerila actions after WWI OR WWII? I guess our enemies have changed. They have no honor now. Please look up Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr von Braun sometime and see how enemies used to have honor.

    We do have the military force to fight anyone at anytime. Until obama makes the drastic cuts he promised.

    I would only hope you understand the great interest in the middle east and europe when it comes to putin and his new goals.

  10. Ice ironman says:

    DID you read the article?

  11. Ice Ironman:

    Sorry, the old “bait and switch” doesn’t work anymore. The 9/11 Commission found there was no connection between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein.

    Bush manipulated the facts and the situation to get us into the Middle East, and, now after almost 6 years of meddling, we are stuck. Just what the oilman wanted.

    No, we don’t have the military to fight anywhere or anytime. We have a military force of roughly 500,000. We are already spread around the globe.

    I read the article, but I am not sure what the point is. The article is a year old, and, if I recall, France was considered a traitor and trashed like crazy when they disagreed with our invading Iraq. So is the point that Sarkozy is now a friend?

    Remember the insane days of “Freedom Fries” instead of French Fries? When France disagreed with us, they were scum. Now that a pro-American is in office, everything is hunky dory.

  12. Larry Simon says:

    Wow… you trashed Obama when your gal Hillary was in the running. Now that Obama is the Democrat….. everything is hunky dory for you…

  13. Larry:

    Isn’t that the reality of politics?

    Seems to me I remember McCain trashing Romney – Romney trashing McCain – their supporters trashing each other. Bush I called Reagan’s economic policies “voodoo economics” and then he became vice-president. And now they are all hunky dory.

    I don’t think my actions are so unusual. I am loyal to my party, and if Hillary can accept what happened, so can I. Sorry if that bothers you. Wait, no I am not sorry.

  14. Larry Simon says:

    I did not ask you to be sorry. But what is does is say your statement from the prior post means nothing because of your very statements in your responding to my post. Yes, I am confused also but I know what I mean.

    I have always had a problem with people who trash others and then act like best buds. Either they are stupid people saying anything to get their point across or never had any real beliefs to start with.

    I can disagree with a person but join ranks with them on other issues. But you will not find me endorsing some idea I was opposed to before.

    I was never a big fan of either Bush. I agreed with them on some issues but not others. That is why I would have voted for Hillary over McCain. But now I will vote for McCain over Obama.

    I have never supported everyone from one party in my entire life. I believe, being older you start to forget things, that I have always crossed over in general elections. I have always voted for the person I believe will do the best for me, my family, and my neighbors.

    See I am happy that the extreme right wing of the GOP is ticked off. That tells me McCain is much more near the center then to their liking.

    Even the extreme right wing is now ticked at Palin. Because she is more to the center then they thought. Had they studied her appointments and line items in the Alaskian budget they would have seen she is right of center. But hay I am old and I have no common sense. Maybe I should not be allowed to vote? Oh, that is right, I already voted!

    I can tell you if I told others that someone was not ready to do a job I sure would not state the exact reverse two months later. Sadly my value of both Hillary and Bill Clinton has gone down since they are now endorsing Obama. Then again if you have $21 million dollar campaign debt to pay, people do some stupid things.

  15. Larry:

    Obama and Clinton were pretty close in their views, so it isn’t views that I was arguing against. I supported Hillary, and I don’t regret it.

    But my views being so closely aligned with Hillary’s views make it a very simple switch to supoprt Obama.

    Was I happy about it? No I wasn’t at first.

    But if you go back and look at my posts even while I was supporting Hillary, I did not make any statements that even come close to the ones being made now by McCain and Palin and their followers. My posts called attendtion to issues with Obama and his campaign. Even when I went back and looked them over, I don’t even consider them trashing him.

    But it sounds to me like you have had decisions to make also. From voting for Hillary – Democrat – to voting for McCain over Obama – Republican.

  16. Ice ironman says:

    Charlotte, the speach shows we are respected in the world.
    The speach would never come from obama considering the following.

    America did not tell the millions of men and women who came from every country in the world and who—with their hands, their intelligence and their heart—built the greatest nation in the world: “Come, and everything will be given to you.” She said: “Come, and the only limits to what you’ll be able to achieve will be your own courage and your own talent.” America embodies this extraordinary ability to grant each and every person a second chance.

    Here, both the humblest and most illustrious citizens alike know that nothing is owed to them and that everything has to be earned. That’s what constitutes the moral value of America. America did not teach men the idea of freedom; she taught them how to practice it. And she fought for this freedom whenever she felt it to be threatened somewhere in the world. It was by watching America grow that men and women understood that freedom was possible.

    Obama and liberal believe everything is owed to them. Amazing how a forienger knows this country better than the libs..

  17. Ice ironman says:

    Todays Headlines Dont upset the man-child

    In middle school like fasion Obama has denied yet another set of reporters access to him. A Florida tv station has been banned for asking questions. Now in his latest fasict move, he has banned three large newspapers from his jet. This is a result of the newspapers endorsing McCain. The three reporters are being replaced with Ebony and Jet magazines for afican americans. G. Bush never banned CBS or any other news agencys that tried to lie or damage his immage. But then again, Bush is a man.

    Be careful what you say, look at Joe the plumber. His back ground has been broken into and invaded. Obama also wants 250000 street thugs with the same power as the military. ]

    Dont put away your brown shirt just because Fall is over, keep a hold of it for the Spring. You may need it!

  18. Ice Ironman:

    So now that the French have a pro-American in office, you now praise them? Did you do so when they disagreed with us over Iraq? Or did you jump on the “trash” the French band wagon? I bet it was the latter.

    Amazing how many Americans now want to forget how horribly we treated the French for their audacity to disagree with us about invading Iraq.

    And now that the French have given a pro-American speech, all is forgiven?

  19. Ice Ironman:

    The reporters have not been denied access – they just lost the good seats in the jets. Nothing says they can’t get to the locations by some other fight.

    Also, see the following links reflecting former officials – Bush, Cheney, and Kerry – who also played favorites or got hostile with reporters.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0217/p01s01-uspo.html

    Here is another one where McCain kicked Maureen Dowd off the plane:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=32195

    And here is one discussing John Kerry’s issues with the press:

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/10/31/angry_over_on_air_remark_adviser_threatens_a_ban/

    Both sides have done it, so it really won’t make any difference in the last few days of the campaign.

  20. Ice ironman says:

    The French leadership was on the take for oil for food. Kinda big deal. But isnt it amazing……

    America did not tell the millions of men and women who came from every country in the world and who—with their hands, their intelligence and their heart—built the greatest nation in the world: “Come, and everything will be given to you.” She said: “Come, and the only limits to what you’ll be able to achieve will be your own courage and your own talent.” America embodies this extraordinary ability to grant each and every person a second chance.

    Obama is politics as usual, and a racist.

  21. Ice Ironman:

    While I appreciate your lofty statements, not all immigrants were successful and not all immigrants are successful today. I believe your vision of “Come and the only limits to what you’ll be able to achieve will be your own courage and your own talent” ignores reality.

    The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. While you may be able to cite to any number of successful immigrants, there will be just as many who are struggling.

  22. Ice ironman says:

    Yes, and there will always be struggle. The middle class got smaller over the past 8 years because the moved to the upper class, they didnt go to the lower class. But at the heart of the battle is the fact that YOU and Obama cant change anything. Change comes from within. And while you feel good about trying to help everyone, reality is you cant and neither will obama. So lets take the most successful country and turn it upside down. Those are not my statements above, they are that of the president of France. How can the poor get poorer? They are already poor! If you have 40% of Americans not paying income tax, how can you help them by overtaxing other hard workers? Trickle up misery sure sounds like it will indeed work. I heard a lady leaving an obama speach and she literaly said ” I dont have to worry about paying my mortgage or Filling my gas tank anymore. WoW. I still like the way Frances pres thinks of the country more than the liberals feeding off of our system. I just heard obama on the news clip say he wants to reward work not wealth. What a commy, like rich people dont work 80 hour weeks. Class warfare is a joke!

    And tax the corps here is a little tax fact to follow the tremendous headlines on exxons earnings

    In other words, just a single U.S. corporation (Exxon Mobil) will pay more in income taxes this year to various governments ($41.5 billion) than the total amount of all federal taxes paid by the residents (more than 5 million) and businesses of those six states in 2007. In 2007, Exxon paid almost as much in income taxes ($30B) as the total federal tax revenue collected in those six states ($32 billion).

    Is 41 BILLION enough?

  23. As well Exxon should. They just surpassed all their other profit statements. They are ripping off the people. When is too much profit too much? Or do you and others believe no amount of profit is too much?

    Here are some figures about the gap between rich and poor:

    “And it’s growing. According to the Congressional Budget Office, from 1979 to 2001, the after-tax income of the top 1 percent of U.S. households soared 139 percent, while the income of the middle fifth rose only 17 percent and the income of the poorest fifth climbed just 9 percent. Last year American CEOs earned 262 times the average wage of their workers—up tenfold from 1970.”

    As to class warfare – it is a reality. Conflict within society and its groups is class conflict or class warfare or whatever you want to label it. It exists in all societies. The United States is no different. It may not be the classic class warfare between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, but it is class warfare when governmental policies favor the rich, the middle class disappears, and you are left with the rich and the poor.

  24. Ice ironman says:

    The govt favors the rich? You are kidding right.
    Do the rich get welfare
    do the rich pay no income taxes
    do the rich get free lunches at school
    do the rich get grants
    do the rich get schip
    What right do you have to take money from the rich and give it to the poor.
    Exxon performs a service second to none and you complain about it. It gives more money than 5 states and you complain about them. Why dont you only buy Citgo gas and support your favorite dictator who kills people for disagreeing with him? Its your choice and you are pro choice

    Why do folks like you complain about only a small increase in pay. Maybe the boss thinks enough is enough and the janitor needs money worse. Forget the fact she didnt go to school and work hard even though she had every chance. She also has 8 kids, not your fault, but it adds to her expenses. If you are so tied to capping money that can be earned please dont go in for that raise, just skip it and tell them to give it directly to the janitor.

    No amount of profit is too much. It is just that simple, freedom relies on this priciple. Our constitution gaurentees the oppertunity, it doesnt insure wealth. Im so glad that minimum wage thing passed–that really relieved stress didnt it. Our definition needs to be revamped also to the global level considering our poor have more living space and crap than europeans middle class

  25. Ice Ironman:

    Your statement: Do the rich get welfare?

    Let me guess – you have never heard of “corporate welfare?” Here is what it is:

    “Corporate welfare is a term describing a government’s bestowal of money grants, tax breaks, or other special favorable treatment on corporations or select corporations.”

    Here is the dictionary definition:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/corporate%20welfare

    See http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,989508,00.html

    Again, in your mind you see corporations as doing no wrong – give them what they want – let them screw the American public.

    Give me a break – welfare is welfare. The problem is that corporations are so powerful, Congress is afraid to stop the subsidies. In economics, a subsidy (also known as a subvention) is a form of financial assistance paid to a business or economic sector. A subsidy can be used to support businesses that might otherwise fail, or to encourage activities that would otherwise not take place.

    The Farm Bill that was just passed had tons of “corporate” welfare subsidies for corporate farms. See http://www.heritage.org/research/EnergyandEnvironment/wm436.cfm (which by the way is a conservative organization)

    I don’t have a problem with the janitor getting more money. And, by the way, what does a small raise have to do with Exxon’s record profits and corporate welfare?

    Subsidies:

    Oil subsidies: http://zfacts.com/p/348.html
    Farm subsidies: http://farm.ewg.org/farm/
    Sugar subsidies: http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed031204a.cfm

    So since the corporations get their form of welfare, why is it you are so hostile to helping the poor who also need assistance? If you truly want to level the playing field then take away corporate subsidies.

    What do you think the billions to the failing automakers is called? Yep – you betcha – welfare.

  26. Ice ironman says:

    I think the welfare going to the auto makers makes up for the rediculous reg the govt imposes, making vehicle production and sales cost through the roof, resulting in less sales, resulting in a non competitive market.

    If McCain came out and said Im raising your taxes to give it to GM, I would complain just the same.

    I guess the least I can say is that corp. welfare keeps millions employed. Welfare for citizens keeps them at home too long.

    What is wrong with the system now
    We have unemployment
    We have food stamps
    We have wick
    We have welfare
    We have social security
    We have schip
    We have ENOUGH already.

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